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I know, I was absent ... The absent are always wrong. :oops:
But I had no idea that Dylan had become an MC. Or even THE MC. I am never told anything to me. :(

I'm not even talking about liking or disliking Dylan. Being neutral, the VN was centered on Sophia (even the title says so) not on her children or any of her children. Of course, these are characters that forge Sophia, but in the same way as others.
 

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Hey, haters :ROFLMAO:, It's a whole day, a long day. A Sunday full of events for all tastes. With just the two, Patricia and Sophia, it would be complicated to fill the whole day.
The Patricia and Sophia horse riding will probably be the biggest event and if he does split the updates into "event updates"then this event could be the update
 

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Hey, haters :ROFLMAO:, It's a whole day, a long day. A Sunday full of events for all tastes. With just the two, Patricia and Sophia, it would be complicated to fill the whole day.
We don't know how big the event is going to be - it could possibly all be done in say 500 renders, no-one knows. So how simple or complicated the day is going to be is a complete guess.
 

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I apologize. I guess I was surprised that you were employing sarcasm since you are so consistently patient, helpful and trying to keep the discussion a discussion vice rants.:)
You have no reason to apologize, it's okay, buddy.
 

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While this is technically accurate, I don't think it's the fairest way to judge the development cycle. As you can imagine, after any release there is going to be some down time while a dev takes some time off. This is especially true when an update is released around the Holidays. We have not traditionally held this against the dev when measuring the wait for the next release.

Instead, we mark the "beginning" as when the dev announces that he's begun work on the next update. For the upcoming release of 0.150 that was sometimes around January 13th. So by that measurement we're likely to hit five months exactly for development.

In the end, we don't need to make the development cycle look longer, it was already an eternity at four months.
Understood. My background is technical. I get the new car at first offer to consumers and drive it. I cannot get the next version until it is offered to consumers. Therefore, I measure from consumer availability dates. The development cycle is internal to the producer. I don't need to know his vacation schedule.

I have seen enough of the thread to understand there are some with "issues" for the Dev's cycle. It is somewhat hilarious. There are those that pontificate they have complete and total knowledge while all they are doing is attempting to extrapolate from some dev statements and their own preferred methods. Those methods may be more efficient but, this is not a car company nor a major software company. This is an artist at work. There is only one person that knows for real what is he is doing. The berating of some 'members' here does nothing to change that.

I much prefer the wandering discussion of 'possibilities', based on often minuscule observations, that many of us have missed. Or the balanced back and forth that Bane71 and others often provide.

Just sayin'.:)
 

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:rolleyes::sleep::sleep::sleep: (cuz there's apparently no yawning emoji?)

On this you do have a worthwhile discussion point:
NTR is a pretty specific triangle where a predator successfully acquires their prey, but the prey is not, ultimately, portrayed or characterized as the victim. The main character of the story or the character we the reader/player are meant to associate with is the victim. It's not the same as straight up cheating or cuckolding, it's much more nuanced than that. NTR requires all of coercion by the predator, unwilling participation followed by acceptance from the prey, and the MC as victim.

If Dylan is a love interest (and, regrettably, he is) then Dylan hooking up with Emma or Marie could be considered in the spectrum of of NTR, where Sophia, as the main character, is the victim. However, I believe these Dylan scenarios are only possible if Sophia is pushing him in those directions, so I don't think it can be considered NTR.

Don Morello and Larry? Hmmm. I think most would agree that Sophia would not (if it plays out that she ends up having sex with either of them) enter into it of her own free will and it's easy to envision her coming to accept it and become a willing participant, but I still don't think this qualifies as NTR. If we're a disinterested observer sure, we have the basic components for NTR. However, in AWAM Sophia is the main character, not Liam, in this scenario Sophia is the prey, Liam is the victim. So again, not actually NTR.

Like I say, NTR is a very specific juxtaposition of characters sand roles and motivations, and I'm not convinced there's anything to suggest it exists in the game at this point.

Curious to know which relationships you consider deserving of the NTR flag?
I only disagree on a point of victim. If one considers Sophia as dedicated to her family (even Liam, {hack cough}) then her being forced, tricked, whatever into a relationship with any one including the Morello's would fit this situation. Her loss of that sense of her core family would be the victim. She is the prey of whomever. Her acceptance would be based on need to protect her family.

I think L&P is writing this loosely enough that there are many paths to follow (could be his undoing even as the web expands). The only clear thing I see is that Sophia is always focused on the needs of her children and trying to support Liam for the family. It always seems to circle back to family, even including Patricia. IMO.:):coffee:
 
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I didn't notice that until now. Looks like he's already got something on his mind :unsure:
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The fact of the matter is that L&P gives us all a rather convoluted story with complex branching storylines! It is for this reason that I always say that he does more difficult work than many imagine.

For example, I also found something new (for myself, but I think many do not know this)!

If Sofia in Limam's office decides to quickly change clothes, then Liam and Mr. Harris see her.
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Probably this, seemingly insignificant choice, opens up a possible sex threesome between Sophia Liam and Mester Harris.
Since in a conversation with Liam, Sophia says that perhaps they lack some thrills in having sex. And Liam tells Sophia that later what Mr. Horris saw will surely become the topic of their discussion at lunch.

If Sophia is in no hurry, then Mr. Harris leaves after seeing much less, but when Sophia tells Liam that she has prepared a surprise for him, he assumes that their sexy maid Natalie is hiding in the office!
Liam also discusses threesome with Natalie and Sophia reacts quite calmly. This is likely the route to sex for Sofia, Liam, and Natalie.
 

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Why translation is taking so much time. I remember he said coding and rendering will be 75% of work. So I assumed translation will be done 15% a day pace..
Translation and coding are 15%. Creation and rendering are 85%. He seems pretty close to his estimate on the coding/translating part. I just hope his coding has no issues as he has said that is not his forte.:)
 
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L&P sayd first weeks of June didnt he for release?

So it be this weekend then? I hope so ... 85% today on traslation ...so 100% on Friday..maybe Sunday release game?
 

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I know, I was absent ... The absent are always wrong. :oops:
But I had no idea that Dylan had become an MC. Or even THE MC. I am never told anything to me. :(

I'm not even talking about liking or disliking Dylan. Being neutral, the VN was centered on Sophia (even the title says so) not on her children or any of her children. Of course, these are characters that forge Sophia, but in the same way as others.
Just some insight for you.

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Dylan isn't the MC. Sophia is still the MC. But Dylan does have the 2nd most events behind Sophia, per L&P comment.
 

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I only disagree on a point of victim. If one considers Sophia as dedicated to her family (even Liam, {hack cough}) then her being forced, tricked, whatever into a relationship with any one including the Morello's would fit this situation. Her loss of that sense of her core family would be the victim. She is the prey of whomever. Her acceptance would be based on need to protect her family.

I think L&P is writing this loosely enough that there are many paths to follow (could be his undoing even as the web expands). The only clear thing I see is that Sophia is always focused on the needs of her children and trying to support Liam for the family. It always seems to circle back to family, even including Patricia. IMO.:):coffee:
That's an interesting angle: the family unit as victim. Certainly the story (stories) revolves around the Parker family as a whole with Sophia (and occasionally Dylan {hack caugh}) being the "eyes and ears" of the player. From that perspective the Morello line (if it goes to actual sex) would fit the criteria for NTR. Other than Morello line, I don't see any other stories becoming coerced sexual relationship. Aiden story could fall under an even looser definition, but I see that going forward as more of a sexual awakening story than a forced sex situation , as in "Have sex with me or I'll beat your son to a bloody pulp" - the kind of threat endemic to a conforming NTR plot.
 
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It's a combination of his thoughts, and Patricia caught him looking at Sophia with the other women, which she mentions with Dylan at the end of the Yoga lesson. Not to mention, she had the pinky exploration with Dylan during the Yoga lesson. So L&P has opened up two options here. A threesome with Sophia/Patricia and a love interest with Marie, if the reader chooses to pursue it.

Hmm, I'm not going to rule out the possibility that Ellie may partake in the event. But once again, you really need to "Deep Six" that thought that Dylan and Ellie don't have events that day and it's only going to be a Sophia/Patricia event only. You're basing your thoughts on the P.D. breakout that L&P provided 2-3 years ago. During that time, how many edits has he made to his story???? I point out an example with Dylan being involved in the Yoga event, but the outline provided by L&P showed that he wasn't even supposed to be in it. We have no clue if what he said 2-3 years ago is holding any water today.
Oh yeah. I’m pretty sure that if we asked L&p, 3 years ago, how many events Dylan was supposed to have on playable day 13, his response wouldn’t be :eek:ut of the 13 events on that day (lowering to 12 since the coaching event has been removed), 7 will include Dylan.

If we look at most of those events, they are either :side story, storylines that end Sophia/Dylan relationship but are now about Dylan and whatever other girls, or optional (like Dylan being present at the yoga event and dating Marie. Him being there is not required to pursue the Sophia/Dylan path, so it’s just another variation on his route).

You remove all those events and you end up with 2 Sophia/Dylan for that day.
Heck, you end up with 7 events for that day, 2 including Dylan.
What does it look like?
This looks like a typical day at the “beginning” of the game before it change.

If we look at the roadmap of Dylan events at the time, for the last 10 playable days of the game, he has 0 events in 6 of those (including playable day 30) , and sometimes (day 23 and 24)no events for 2 days in a row.(which at the current speed of updates mean 2 years without Dylan events...)

In fact, according to this roadmap, for the last third of the game, Dylan has no events in more than half of the game remaining days.
Does anybody believe,after looking at the next playable day, that this roadmap of Dylan events is still relevant ?

As for the Patricia/Sophia trip, it’s supposed to take most of the day.
So maybe one, if not the biggest event (again...) of the game.
I don’t believe one moment (but I would be pleasantly surprised if I’m wrong) that it will only include Patricia and Sophia.
Maybe it will involve some people at the ranch, maybe Dylan or Ellie, maybe both of them.
Why? Because L&p may decide to.
Doesn’t matter what the characters are saying, thinking or whatever, if L&p wants Dylan or Ellie or whoever involved in this event, he will make it happen.(regardless if the explanation is ridiculous or believable).

If I’m not wrong this event takes place on a Sunday, so Dylan and Ellie have no excuses has to why they wouldn’t be present.
(Again this is not what I want, I would prefer if this event was only focused on the Patricia and Sophia relationship. But it’s not a case of what I would prefer but what might most likely happen.
And if I’m wrong, good for me)
 
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