[Oshi No Ko]
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Nov 11, 2024 10:06 AM
#51
For people who read the Kaguya manga all throughout... Theyve expected this... The author writes good & interesting concept of the manga at the start & thus made it popular... & ofc he knows how to fumble its ending too... |
" Kindness can sometimes lead you to trouble. " |
Nov 11, 2024 10:16 AM
#52
RobertBobert said: @HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter. Well first,leaks are often correct about the outline of the chapters,we dont havd any panels but the leaks told about the premiss of 166 Second, the source have a history so i have my trust Lastly,like ive already said,it wouldnt take a genius to know how 166 would go (people dealing with Aqua's death and move on) because thats literally the basic of writing a story with someone died at the end. Maybe there could be some surprise but it wouldnt change the core of last chapter |
Nov 11, 2024 10:22 AM
#53
Reply to HoangNguyen2107
RobertBobert said:
@HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter.
@HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter.
Well first,leaks are often correct about the outline of the chapters,we dont havd any panels but the leaks told about the premiss of 166
Second, the source have a history so i have my trust
Lastly,like ive already said,it wouldnt take a genius to know how 166 would go (people dealing with Aqua's death and move on) because thats literally the basic of writing a story with someone died at the end. Maybe there could be some surprise but it wouldnt change the core of last chapter
@HoangNguyen2107 So you're just discussing things as fact based on a leaked chapter that hasn't been released yet? Seriously? And don’t tell me about the premise, we saw a few chapters ago how Aqua was convinced of the importance of his current identity and how excessive attachment to Goro’s legacy is ruining his current life. This is literally one of the reasons why people criticize the (potential) ending. Of course, leaks can be a reason for discussion, but arguing and citing this as a fact is completely stupid. |
Nov 11, 2024 12:52 PM
#54
Reply to RobertBobert
@HoangNguyen2107 Are you sure? The final chapter will be released the day after tomorrow, but all the so-called leaks that I found on the Internet describe two chapters before that. And yes, no matter what the leaks are, they still need to be confirmed. Which obviously won't happen before the release of the original chapter.
@RobertBobert Whole raw chapter is already online |
Nov 11, 2024 1:09 PM
#55
Reply to bastek66
@RobertBobert Whole raw chapter is already online
@bastek66 I saw it, but it’s so bad that I don’t want to believe it even more. Because if the last chapter looked like just a bad epilogue, then this chapter seemed to be done on the knee to lazily end the story with a formal ending after its destruction. @Hitagi__Furude Kaguya's ending was just mediocre, as if Aka had run out of steam and was formally writing poorly thought out chapters about nothing. But here he literally ruined a bunch of things, right down to the main idea of the manga. And ended it with a couple of shitty chapters with an epilogue montage. Compared to this, Kaguya was finished just fine. Seriously. I'm usually used to having to argue with people to prove why I think something is bad, but this is literally bad on so many levels. |
RobertBobertNov 11, 2024 1:14 PM
Nov 11, 2024 1:17 PM
#56
Reply to RobertBobert
@bastek66 I saw it, but it’s so bad that I don’t want to believe it even more. Because if the last chapter looked like just a bad epilogue, then this chapter seemed to be done on the knee to lazily end the story with a formal ending after its destruction.
@Hitagi__Furude Kaguya's ending was just mediocre, as if Aka had run out of steam and was formally writing poorly thought out chapters about nothing. But here he literally ruined a bunch of things, right down to the main idea of the manga. And ended it with a couple of shitty chapters with an epilogue montage. Compared to this, Kaguya was finished just fine. Seriously. I'm usually used to having to argue with people to prove why I think something is bad, but this is literally bad on so many levels.
@Hitagi__Furude Kaguya's ending was just mediocre, as if Aka had run out of steam and was formally writing poorly thought out chapters about nothing. But here he literally ruined a bunch of things, right down to the main idea of the manga. And ended it with a couple of shitty chapters with an epilogue montage. Compared to this, Kaguya was finished just fine. Seriously. I'm usually used to having to argue with people to prove why I think something is bad, but this is literally bad on so many levels.
@RobertBobert Well if it makes you feel better, apparently there's supposed to be an extra chapter included in the volume release. Doubt it will change much but sometimes manga authors put the "real" ending in them (Hoshino-san me o tsubette comes to mind). |
Nov 11, 2024 1:20 PM
#57
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Well if it makes you feel better, apparently there's supposed to be an extra chapter included in the volume release. Doubt it will change much but sometimes manga authors put the "real" ending in them (Hoshino-san me o tsubette comes to mind).
@hyperknees91 Real one? Isn't just an attempt to soften the fandom's butthurt with an alternate ending or manipulate them like in the case of Prison Schhool? |
Nov 11, 2024 1:25 PM
#58
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 Real one? Isn't just an attempt to soften the fandom's butthurt with an alternate ending or manipulate them like in the case of Prison Schhool?
@RobertBobert Unfortunately we won't know until its out...it just teases its going to reveal a secret. Like said, wouldn't hold my breath but you never know. |
Nov 11, 2024 1:52 PM
#59
honestly I think the ending suits the manga I did felt sad when aqua died but honestly that's the whole point oshi no ko was never a happy story but a tragic one and it ended that way tragic ending doesn't equal to bad ending |
Nov 11, 2024 2:03 PM
#60
Reply to quietkun27
honestly I think the ending suits the manga I did felt sad when aqua died but honestly that's the whole point oshi no ko was never a happy story but a tragic one and it ended that way tragic ending doesn't equal to bad ending
@quietkun27 It was always a tragic story, but it taught how to prevent new tragedies and protect a happy future. Which is what this ending destroyed. @hyperknees91 From what I see, they also announced a new LN about Kana and Akane. I hope this is just a spin-off about their childhood and not an attempt to distract the attention of fans with a yuri after the death of the male lead. Then it will just be bingo. |
Nov 11, 2024 2:27 PM
#61
Reply to RobertBobert
@quietkun27 It was always a tragic story, but it taught how to prevent new tragedies and protect a happy future. Which is what this ending destroyed.
@hyperknees91 From what I see, they also announced a new LN about Kana and Akane. I hope this is just a spin-off about their childhood and not an attempt to distract the attention of fans with a yuri after the death of the male lead. Then it will just be bingo.
@hyperknees91 From what I see, they also announced a new LN about Kana and Akane. I hope this is just a spin-off about their childhood and not an attempt to distract the attention of fans with a yuri after the death of the male lead. Then it will just be bingo.
@RobertBobert Lawl...the one thing this story needs is more pointless ship teasing. I'm expecting it will be just like the bloom into you light novels. |
Nov 11, 2024 2:30 PM
#62
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Lawl...the one thing this story needs is more pointless ship teasing. I'm expecting it will be just like the bloom into you light novels.
@hyperknees91 I think Bloom into you LN was actually even better than the original manga in some aspects. But if this really is an attempt to distract fans with a G-Orphans style ending one way or the other, I'm really going to hate this manga. |
Nov 11, 2024 2:42 PM
#63
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 I think Bloom into you LN was actually even better than the original manga in some aspects. But if this really is an attempt to distract fans with a G-Orphans style ending one way or the other, I'm really going to hate this manga.
@RobertBobert Good lord G-orphans ending was so strange for a gundam show. Shipping has really gotten out of control in anime. I was giving Aka the benefit of the doubt with Kaguya's ending in that he was just burned out. But I think this story solidified for me that he just gets bored and wants to move on as soon as he can so I think will be the last work I read of his. |
Nov 11, 2024 2:52 PM
#64
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Good lord G-orphans ending was so strange for a gundam show. Shipping has really gotten out of control in anime.
I was giving Aka the benefit of the doubt with Kaguya's ending in that he was just burned out. But I think this story solidified for me that he just gets bored and wants to move on as soon as he can so I think will be the last work I read of his.
I was giving Aka the benefit of the doubt with Kaguya's ending in that he was just burned out. But I think this story solidified for me that he just gets bored and wants to move on as soon as he can so I think will be the last work I read of his.
@hyperknees91 Huh, looks like Sunrise wanted this so bad that they literally built the next original TV Gundam around it, lmao. Which seems ironic considering how fans were much more vocal in criticizing this in the case of Orphans. Many people write that the manga was finished so poorly due to revenge against his editor, who forced him to continue it further than he wanted. But I just don't see the point because in the end it was his fans who suffered the most, not the editor. |
Nov 11, 2024 4:28 PM
#65
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 Huh, looks like Sunrise wanted this so bad that they literally built the next original TV Gundam around it, lmao. Which seems ironic considering how fans were much more vocal in criticizing this in the case of Orphans.
Many people write that the manga was finished so poorly due to revenge against his editor, who forced him to continue it further than he wanted. But I just don't see the point because in the end it was his fans who suffered the most, not the editor.
Many people write that the manga was finished so poorly due to revenge against his editor, who forced him to continue it further than he wanted. But I just don't see the point because in the end it was his fans who suffered the most, not the editor.
@RobertBobert Must have had some good merch sales is my guess... That's possible but I think getting into that sort of speculation territory isn't very productive as there's really no way to tell (especially with Japan defamation laws, they would never admin to something like that). At the end of the day, if he really cared about the manga, he wouldn't have ended it like that even if he was spiteful about something going on behind the scenes. |
Nov 11, 2024 4:35 PM
#66
Reply to hyperknees91
@RobertBobert Must have had some good merch sales is my guess...
That's possible but I think getting into that sort of speculation territory isn't very productive as there's really no way to tell (especially with Japan defamation laws, they would never admin to something like that). At the end of the day, if he really cared about the manga, he wouldn't have ended it like that even if he was spiteful about something going on behind the scenes.
That's possible but I think getting into that sort of speculation territory isn't very productive as there's really no way to tell (especially with Japan defamation laws, they would never admin to something like that). At the end of the day, if he really cared about the manga, he wouldn't have ended it like that even if he was spiteful about something going on behind the scenes.
@hyperknees91 Well, this is the second time he has so blatantly torpedoed his work in order to move on to a new one. So we already know that Aka is at least inclined to completely abandon things even if they have great significance. Just remember how he lazily left an open ending to Miko and Ishigami, just clumsily turning their last scene into a mirror of the central couple. But a lazy ending is not the ending that destroys everything with the murder of the main character. |
Nov 11, 2024 5:06 PM
#67
Reply to RobertBobert
@hyperknees91 Well, this is the second time he has so blatantly torpedoed his work in order to move on to a new one. So we already know that Aka is at least inclined to completely abandon things even if they have great significance.
Just remember how he lazily left an open ending to Miko and Ishigami, just clumsily turning their last scene into a mirror of the central couple. But a lazy ending is not the ending that destroys everything with the murder of the main character.
Just remember how he lazily left an open ending to Miko and Ishigami, just clumsily turning their last scene into a mirror of the central couple. But a lazy ending is not the ending that destroys everything with the murder of the main character.
@RobertBobert Just to be real with you, no one hates the second half/ending of Kaguya more than me. I do see plenty of people who still can enjoy it and I can respect that, but that issue you mentioned with it is one of many on why I dislike it so much. I'm not sure what his problem is. If Renai Daikou didn't get axed I would say its because he feels like he can do whatever he wants and people won't care, but I would've assumed that taught him a lesson (especially because now he has two works which have been axed). |
Nov 11, 2024 6:00 PM
#68
Have only read volume 1. After the Attack On Titan ending hate campaign, I've never trusted anyone's opinion about bad endings ever again. Even without including the Attack On Titan drama, I've experienced that Westerners lack reading comprehension. So yeah, I'll make my own opinion when I read it in the manga/watch it on the anime. |
Nov 11, 2024 6:16 PM
#69
Reply to Infernalization
Have only read volume 1. After the Attack On Titan ending hate campaign, I've never trusted anyone's opinion about bad endings ever again. Even without including the Attack On Titan drama, I've experienced that Westerners lack reading comprehension. So yeah, I'll make my own opinion when I read it in the manga/watch it on the anime.
@Infernalization Can you explain why you're so adamant about who didn't like the ending of AoT? Well, except for a slightly similar drama with the fate of the main character. @hyperknees91 Do you think that Aka at some point got star sickness and God syndrome, deciding that he could do and react as he wanted, even if people were against it? This reminds me a little of Seo Koji from the time of that twist in Fuuka, after which he seemed to have sworn off provoking fans so much. But to be honest, I could forgive Aqua's death based on my reaction to the death of protagonists in some other shows, but how poorly it was done... |
Nov 11, 2024 10:03 PM
#70
I have lose interest not even gonna read manga or watch Oshi no ko anime season 3. Killing Aquamarine Hoshino is like killing Oshi no ko series itself. Game over no sequel shit ending. I pretend I never watch or read about Oshi no ko. |
Nov 12, 2024 5:29 AM
#71
RobertBobert said: @Infernalization Can you explain why you're so adamant about who didn't like the ending of AoT? Well, except for a slightly similar drama with the fate of the main character. @hyperknees91 Do you think that Aka at some point got star sickness and God syndrome, deciding that he could do and react as he wanted, even if people were against it? This reminds me a little of Seo Koji from the time of that twist in Fuuka, after which he seemed to have sworn off provoking fans so much. But to be honest, I could forgive Aqua's death based on my reaction to the death of protagonists in some other shows, but how poorly it was done... Because all the people who whined about the ending of AOT were a loud minority who were trying to gaslight anime only people into hating the series when the ending made perfectly sense. Whether the ending haters being a loud minority is the case with Oshi no Ko? I don't know, but I am just sick and tired that people have to take away someone else's enjoyment just because they didn't like an ending. |
Nov 12, 2024 6:19 AM
#72
Reply to DemonDarknight
I have lose interest not even gonna read manga or watch Oshi no ko anime season 3. Killing Aquamarine Hoshino is like killing Oshi no ko series itself. Game over no sequel shit ending. I pretend I never watch or read about Oshi no ko.
@DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being. @Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed. |
Nov 12, 2024 6:34 AM
#73
RobertBobert said: @DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being. @Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed. The people who I call whiners are the type of people who send death threats to/bullying the author, burning manga and bullying people who do like the ending, which was in the case of AOT a large part of the vocal minority. The group of civil dissenting people who dislike an ending are not included in this. |
Nov 12, 2024 6:42 AM
#74
Reply to Infernalization
RobertBobert said:
@DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being.
@Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed.
@DemonDarknight I'm afraid that a lot of people will ignore the live action or the third season for this reason. Or at least they will be viewed through a much more biased perspective. I want to sympathize with Ruby after all this, but with Aka pushing her to the side significantly, it just feels like Aqua being made a scapegoat for her well-being.
@Infernalization I would say that this is quite subjective and it would be rude to accuse all dissenting people of whining or gaslighting just because you personally had a different opinion. But personally, I was more irritated by the attempts of some people to convince themselves and everyone that Miksa should die forever alone so that they would not feel NTR-ed.
The people who I call whiners are the type of people who send death threats to/bullying the author, burning manga and bullying people who do like the ending, which was in the case of AOT a large part of the vocal minority.
The group of civil dissenting people who dislike an ending are not included in this.
@Infernalization Well, then you should have pointed this out in the first place. Because in your past comments you actually generalized and blamed everyone |
Nov 13, 2024 2:56 PM
#75
I like and respect Akasaka-sensei, but I guess he's too cool for a proper happy ending. All the characters deserved it |
Nov 13, 2024 3:29 PM
#77
Nov 13, 2024 3:39 PM
#78
Reply to sharydow
@mrjdko Entertaining is lying.
That’s the message.
Entertainers lie to protect themselves, they lie to hide their scars, they lie to inspire hope. Ruby thought she could do it without lying, she was wrong.
That’s the message.
Entertainers lie to protect themselves, they lie to hide their scars, they lie to inspire hope. Ruby thought she could do it without lying, she was wrong.
@sharydow Yes, but we were told almost the entire manga that this was bad and MC even died trying to support Ruby’s desire to become a star without repeating the fate of her mother. If Aka really intended this from the very beginning, then he was simply lying himself and deceiving the audience, convincing them that he was going to protect his characters and inspire the audience to believe in the victory of truth and a healthy mentality. |
Nov 13, 2024 4:02 PM
#79
Reply to RobertBobert
@sharydow Yes, but we were told almost the entire manga that this was bad and MC even died trying to support Ruby’s desire to become a star without repeating the fate of her mother. If Aka really intended this from the very beginning, then he was simply lying himself and deceiving the audience, convincing them that he was going to protect his characters and inspire the audience to believe in the victory of truth and a healthy mentality.
RobertBobert said: but we were told almost the entire manga that this was bad No? When? Ai died because of her psychopath boyfriend not because she was lying. We were told at multiple instances that lying was ok and necessary. That’s the conclusion of the reality show arc? Expose yourself too much and you’ll be hurt more by the haters (to the point of almost killing yoursef). Put up a character and you’ll feel safer. That’s also very good advice. Streamers on the internet that wear a character when they stream and use pseudonyms are actually able to put a distance between them and their audience. |
Nov 13, 2024 4:19 PM
#80
Nov 15, 2024 11:37 PM
#81
I don't think seeing a death flag on a character from the first chapter is a good thing for a story. If you know what is going to happen in the end what is the purpose of the whole story? So, if a story starts with a tragedy it is supposed to end with a tragedy? Is this for granted? Aqua did what he thought was right. But what did he leave behind in the process? A Ruby who is traumatized three times and now faking her smile? Is that what Aqua wanted? Just to keep Ruby alive and lie to herself being happy the rest of her life? To carry the burden of losing her brother for fulfilling her own dreams? Saying that it was supposed to happen or it was the only way is just lazy. You can hit the rock bottom while also giving a happy ending and I think Oshi no ko and its fans deserved it (the happy ending). (When the first season came there were a lot of expectations and promises. We see Arima declare that she will become the best idol in Aqua's eye. But what happens with her story? After the Tokyo Blade arc there is barely any development and after the Scandal arc she is almost treated as a joke. I know she wasn't the protagonist of the story but she deserved a good ending) |
Nov 16, 2024 12:27 AM
#82
Just as I predicted, the story is an absolute shit show. |
Nov 16, 2024 12:54 PM
#83
Nov 17, 2024 3:17 PM
#84
The biggest flaw was that it was rushed. No matter what ending Aka chose, he should have given it more chapters to develop. |
Nov 17, 2024 5:08 PM
#85
The author has some responsibility to the people that spent their time and money on their work. This dude just got bored and dashed off a POS lazy ending. |
Nov 17, 2024 6:14 PM
#86
@JetAway I totally agree with you, we had the alternating ending set already like on chapter 155, tying up the ends on chapter 158 with the other ex-members attempt. All we needed was for Kamiki to rot in prison after being stripped of everything after the movie, another way of dying. (We can drop the revengeplot and show that our maincharacter is more mature). Aqua calls Arima his idol on her last performance and Ruby gets friendzoned into the familylove that they actually have for eachother. A bright ending showing all the involved characters once again. Until Aquas final moments I thought the setting was staged to make Kamiki reveal the truth for some hiding police or another way to make him confess but it was a disappointment leading us back on the road of revenge to glorification and selfjustification. |
Nov 18, 2024 4:52 PM
#87
The ending was something that came unexpected to me. As the movie was made and Nino reported all the crimes his father did. They could have dealt with him in that way and it would have actually made sense with the whole Manga and plot. I really do not like the choice the author took here, as he basically nullifies the entire last arc with that choice. That could have been done before the arc started when he found out who his father is. What was the point of the last arc then? Just to fill some chapters? I am torn about the ending, never have I cried so hard at the end of a Manga and never was I so mad, not even Berserk did that to me. I do understand why the author made that choice, but the last arc is something I do not understand, as it was not needed for the story at all, its basically a filler, a very well made one and i am glad that its there, as it brought me some long sought after answers and closure, but for the overall story it didnt matter at all. |
Feb 24, 6:36 AM
#88
Feb 24, 7:19 AM
#89
I am sorry to say, but the ending made me feel like I wasted time. I want to give it a lower score but I have to be mindful of the artwork, so yea... The ending is unsatisfactory to me, because it feels rushed and disregards everything the last arc was trying to do. |
Feb 28, 5:21 AM
#90
Well, don't you hate it when authors write irrevelant developments, without any build up or foreshadowing? Than, imagine a story with a plenty of build ups but it ends with something EXACT OPPOSITE. That's basically Oshi no Ko. Personal whinning incoming He supposedly "sacrificed" himself. Bro, there's plenty of choices you can do to achive your goal without, you know, KILLING YOURSELF. It's not sacrifice, it's suicide. What's wrong with it then? Hmm, what about ALMOST ALL OF AQUA'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT? Why did you even bother to write those long ass segments about him moving on, adjusting to his new life, having dreams when he'll gonna kill himself like a fucking mosquito? Seriously, why did you even bother? What's the point of those scenes now? You'd very well save yourself from writing those ass scenes, or even BETTER, making your artist draw them. "You just can't handle dark endings, stop crying." Ooooh, I'D LOVE TO SEE A DARK ENDING. I prefer bittersweet or tragic ones anyway. I don't give a damn fuck about Aqua either. A well written ending with him dying would be a treat. The problem isn't his death, how bullshit the exacution is. It's like a big middle finger towards readers who bother to took this story seriously, who was genuinely invested and paying attention. "Haha, you thought Aqua were finally gonna move on with his life like it was being said multiple times? FUCK YOU! He's gonna kill himself." Whooooh, I feel way better now. I'm done with this guy's stories. It's just disrespectful towards people who took him seriously and spent their time. It's a waste of time. It's just... sad. |
massyylFeb 28, 10:24 AM
Mar 6, 4:26 PM
#91
first of all ending is good it's fits the story |
Mar 10, 4:51 AM
#92
It seemed like an immature action from a supposedly very mature character, thats what bugged me. |
Mar 12, 10:01 AM
#93
Just finished it myself. So all of Aqua's minor developments up to this point just regressed into nothing? He was shown his influence on the world around him through Miyako, Ruby, Kana, and Akane, yet he decides he was reincarnated solely for the purpose of protecting Ruby's dream to be an Idol to everyone? She told Aqua that he was her idol a few chapters back, so that makes zero sense. Kana all but confessed to him when they had their date near the end, even bringing back their game of catch from long ago and this time not dropping the ball at all. Wasn't that supposed to be symbolism for how their relationship has progressed? Even back 50 chapters ago or so I realized Kana was likely taking the opportunity to step down as an idol to confess to Aqua, since they made it abundantly clear idols getting a boyfriend were committing career suicide. Kana didn't want to burden Memcho and Ruby with that. Even if Aqua were to have said he couldn't love Kana for whatever reason, that would have at least been an ending to her story. Akane just gets dumped, roots for Kana begrudgingly, even helping her sort her feelings out in the process, and then turns around and commits to making sure the people responsible are held responsible, despite only helping stop Nino. And then there's Kamiki. What the hell was Aka thinking with this character. Built up to be the big mastermind, they hit you with the bait and switch not once, but three times regarding this guy. He's souped up as this master puppeteer influencing people in the shadows, but when Aqua finally confronts him with the evidence he planned for his "revenge", it's shown how tragic of a character he became. He was used by adults, sexually abused, and then when he thought he found someone who could love him, she rejected him. He misinterpreted her words for the truth, and sought to... do what exactly? Kill her for what reason? It's illogical and makes zero sense as a narrative. Most killers are illogical, but yet he refused to go after any of his children for 17+ years. Why? What made them special? If they're a product of the two women in your life that caused you the most anguish, why not attempt to snuff them out? That's because his character fundamentally makes zero sense, especially after the author does three major things incorrectly. 1. The scene showing Kamiki seduce and then murder another actress on the mountain. This is enough to cement him as a character unworthy of redemption, and a lingering background presence that makes every scene a bit more tense because you don't know when or where he will strike next. I expected him to go after Ruby or Aqua in some way through those they care about, especially during the movie's production. Yet he never does! Does he love his children at all or doesn't he? Does he feel guilty for his actions or doesn't he? The author never makes any of that clear, and it makes his actions to attempt to kill Ruby at the end utterly baffling. 2. Then during Aqua and Ruby's confrontation post-production of the movie, Aqua adds in the information included in Ai's 15 year old video, breaking all sense of motivation for Kamiki to continue with his evil ways considering his motivations were laid out by Kamiki himself in the same scene. Could he have lied? Maybe, but narratively it makes much more sense for this to be the end of Kamiki. He could have easily turned himself in and admitted his crime. I believed he was making plans to do so after the movie was released, since a transitional period of leadership in his organization would take time. 3. The Nino failed murder and Aqua's death. Surprise! Despite trying to use Akane and Aqua to set the stage for one last confrontation with a loose thread like Nino, her failed murder plot was incredibly rushed and meant to create a sense of urgency to Aqua's final act. They try to convince the reader that Kamiki was really really evil this time for real (I promise) and that Aqua really really has to do this to vanquish the bad guy (I promise), but all it becomes is a hamfisted approach to have an excuse for Aqua to die in a tragic way. Kamiki didn't have to be this way, you could've taken the easy route and made him a tragic villain to go with the tragedies that took place in the first act. Instead you intentionally introduced him to the audience as an irredeemable psychopath, tried to convince the audience afterwards that he had his reason guys, and then said "Haha! Fooled you! He's still terrible, look at those evil eyes my artist can draw lol!" It's so pitiful. And in the end, despite all of the work put in to developing these characters, you shitcan an ending of "everyone is pissed at Aqua for being selfish, Kana most of all, they'll never emotionally recover completely except for Ruby who now has to lie to herself that she'll be fine without emotional support, even though her entire story was reliant on either Ai or Sensei (eventually Aqua) being there as her own personal idols to keep her going. How did you just give up on your own story like that? It was nearing the end! It was progressing in a decent fashion, all you had to do was stick the landing and you crashed it into a lake and drowned to death. I haven't read Kaguya to the end so I cannot speak on that ending, but after this one I can't in good conscience read another work from Aka Akasaka. A masterclass of how to milk your audience dry for their money, and then ruin any respect they or you may hold for your work. |
WingedSupernovaMar 12, 10:05 AM
Mar 14, 10:10 PM
#94
THE ENDING WAS AMAZING. IT FITS ENTIRELY WITH AQUA'S CHARACTER. |
Mar 27, 1:45 AM
#95
Reply to WingedSupernova
Just finished it myself.
So all of Aqua's minor developments up to this point just regressed into nothing? He was shown his influence on the world around him through Miyako, Ruby, Kana, and Akane, yet he decides he was reincarnated solely for the purpose of protecting Ruby's dream to be an Idol to everyone? She told Aqua that he was her idol a few chapters back, so that makes zero sense. Kana all but confessed to him when they had their date near the end, even bringing back their game of catch from long ago and this time not dropping the ball at all. Wasn't that supposed to be symbolism for how their relationship has progressed? Even back 50 chapters ago or so I realized Kana was likely taking the opportunity to step down as an idol to confess to Aqua, since they made it abundantly clear idols getting a boyfriend were committing career suicide. Kana didn't want to burden Memcho and Ruby with that. Even if Aqua were to have said he couldn't love Kana for whatever reason, that would have at least been an ending to her story. Akane just gets dumped, roots for Kana begrudgingly, even helping her sort her feelings out in the process, and then turns around and commits to making sure the people responsible are held responsible, despite only helping stop Nino.
And then there's Kamiki. What the hell was Aka thinking with this character. Built up to be the big mastermind, they hit you with the bait and switch not once, but three times regarding this guy. He's souped up as this master puppeteer influencing people in the shadows, but when Aqua finally confronts him with the evidence he planned for his "revenge", it's shown how tragic of a character he became. He was used by adults, sexually abused, and then when he thought he found someone who could love him, she rejected him. He misinterpreted her words for the truth, and sought to... do what exactly? Kill her for what reason? It's illogical and makes zero sense as a narrative. Most killers are illogical, but yet he refused to go after any of his children for 17+ years. Why? What made them special? If they're a product of the two women in your life that caused you the most anguish, why not attempt to snuff them out? That's because his character fundamentally makes zero sense, especially after the author does three major things incorrectly.
1. The scene showing Kamiki seduce and then murder another actress on the mountain. This is enough to cement him as a character unworthy of redemption, and a lingering background presence that makes every scene a bit more tense because you don't know when or where he will strike next. I expected him to go after Ruby or Aqua in some way through those they care about, especially during the movie's production. Yet he never does! Does he love his children at all or doesn't he? Does he feel guilty for his actions or doesn't he? The author never makes any of that clear, and it makes his actions to attempt to kill Ruby at the end utterly baffling.
2. Then during Aqua and Ruby's confrontation post-production of the movie, Aqua adds in the information included in Ai's 15 year old video, breaking all sense of motivation for Kamiki to continue with his evil ways considering his motivations were laid out by Kamiki himself in the same scene. Could he have lied? Maybe, but narratively it makes much more sense for this to be the end of Kamiki. He could have easily turned himself in and admitted his crime. I believed he was making plans to do so after the movie was released, since a transitional period of leadership in his organization would take time.
3. The Nino failed murder and Aqua's death. Surprise! Despite trying to use Akane and Aqua to set the stage for one last confrontation with a loose thread like Nino, her failed murder plot was incredibly rushed and meant to create a sense of urgency to Aqua's final act. They try to convince the reader that Kamiki was really really evil this time for real (I promise) and that Aqua really really has to do this to vanquish the bad guy (I promise), but all it becomes is a hamfisted approach to have an excuse for Aqua to die in a tragic way. Kamiki didn't have to be this way, you could've taken the easy route and made him a tragic villain to go with the tragedies that took place in the first act. Instead you intentionally introduced him to the audience as an irredeemable psychopath, tried to convince the audience afterwards that he had his reason guys, and then said "Haha! Fooled you! He's still terrible, look at those evil eyes my artist can draw lol!" It's so pitiful.
And in the end, despite all of the work put in to developing these characters, you shitcan an ending of "everyone is pissed at Aqua for being selfish, Kana most of all, they'll never emotionally recover completely except for Ruby who now has to lie to herself that she'll be fine without emotional support, even though her entire story was reliant on either Ai or Sensei (eventually Aqua) being there as her own personal idols to keep her going. How did you just give up on your own story like that? It was nearing the end! It was progressing in a decent fashion, all you had to do was stick the landing and you crashed it into a lake and drowned to death.
I haven't read Kaguya to the end so I cannot speak on that ending, but after this one I can't in good conscience read another work from Aka Akasaka. A masterclass of how to milk your audience dry for their money, and then ruin any respect they or you may hold for your work.
So all of Aqua's minor developments up to this point just regressed into nothing? He was shown his influence on the world around him through Miyako, Ruby, Kana, and Akane, yet he decides he was reincarnated solely for the purpose of protecting Ruby's dream to be an Idol to everyone? She told Aqua that he was her idol a few chapters back, so that makes zero sense. Kana all but confessed to him when they had their date near the end, even bringing back their game of catch from long ago and this time not dropping the ball at all. Wasn't that supposed to be symbolism for how their relationship has progressed? Even back 50 chapters ago or so I realized Kana was likely taking the opportunity to step down as an idol to confess to Aqua, since they made it abundantly clear idols getting a boyfriend were committing career suicide. Kana didn't want to burden Memcho and Ruby with that. Even if Aqua were to have said he couldn't love Kana for whatever reason, that would have at least been an ending to her story. Akane just gets dumped, roots for Kana begrudgingly, even helping her sort her feelings out in the process, and then turns around and commits to making sure the people responsible are held responsible, despite only helping stop Nino.
And then there's Kamiki. What the hell was Aka thinking with this character. Built up to be the big mastermind, they hit you with the bait and switch not once, but three times regarding this guy. He's souped up as this master puppeteer influencing people in the shadows, but when Aqua finally confronts him with the evidence he planned for his "revenge", it's shown how tragic of a character he became. He was used by adults, sexually abused, and then when he thought he found someone who could love him, she rejected him. He misinterpreted her words for the truth, and sought to... do what exactly? Kill her for what reason? It's illogical and makes zero sense as a narrative. Most killers are illogical, but yet he refused to go after any of his children for 17+ years. Why? What made them special? If they're a product of the two women in your life that caused you the most anguish, why not attempt to snuff them out? That's because his character fundamentally makes zero sense, especially after the author does three major things incorrectly.
1. The scene showing Kamiki seduce and then murder another actress on the mountain. This is enough to cement him as a character unworthy of redemption, and a lingering background presence that makes every scene a bit more tense because you don't know when or where he will strike next. I expected him to go after Ruby or Aqua in some way through those they care about, especially during the movie's production. Yet he never does! Does he love his children at all or doesn't he? Does he feel guilty for his actions or doesn't he? The author never makes any of that clear, and it makes his actions to attempt to kill Ruby at the end utterly baffling.
2. Then during Aqua and Ruby's confrontation post-production of the movie, Aqua adds in the information included in Ai's 15 year old video, breaking all sense of motivation for Kamiki to continue with his evil ways considering his motivations were laid out by Kamiki himself in the same scene. Could he have lied? Maybe, but narratively it makes much more sense for this to be the end of Kamiki. He could have easily turned himself in and admitted his crime. I believed he was making plans to do so after the movie was released, since a transitional period of leadership in his organization would take time.
3. The Nino failed murder and Aqua's death. Surprise! Despite trying to use Akane and Aqua to set the stage for one last confrontation with a loose thread like Nino, her failed murder plot was incredibly rushed and meant to create a sense of urgency to Aqua's final act. They try to convince the reader that Kamiki was really really evil this time for real (I promise) and that Aqua really really has to do this to vanquish the bad guy (I promise), but all it becomes is a hamfisted approach to have an excuse for Aqua to die in a tragic way. Kamiki didn't have to be this way, you could've taken the easy route and made him a tragic villain to go with the tragedies that took place in the first act. Instead you intentionally introduced him to the audience as an irredeemable psychopath, tried to convince the audience afterwards that he had his reason guys, and then said "Haha! Fooled you! He's still terrible, look at those evil eyes my artist can draw lol!" It's so pitiful.
And in the end, despite all of the work put in to developing these characters, you shitcan an ending of "everyone is pissed at Aqua for being selfish, Kana most of all, they'll never emotionally recover completely except for Ruby who now has to lie to herself that she'll be fine without emotional support, even though her entire story was reliant on either Ai or Sensei (eventually Aqua) being there as her own personal idols to keep her going. How did you just give up on your own story like that? It was nearing the end! It was progressing in a decent fashion, all you had to do was stick the landing and you crashed it into a lake and drowned to death.
I haven't read Kaguya to the end so I cannot speak on that ending, but after this one I can't in good conscience read another work from Aka Akasaka. A masterclass of how to milk your audience dry for their money, and then ruin any respect they or you may hold for your work.
@WingedSupernova Just read and finished the manga myself, and I think your post resonates the most with how I feel. Right from the beginning this story struck me as one being guided mostly by feel and vibes more so than having the characters act in a logical and realistic manner. It felt like the author had some ideas of scenes he wanted to illustrate before he made the story, and then just forcefully jammed the characters and narrative into a direction to make those scenes happen. To hell with making it make sense. And that ended up making the story fairly convenient and contrived all throughout. I don't really hate the ending for that reason, since I knew going into it that it would be based on making the reader feel something rather than it making sense. And when I read the ending, I did feel something. I felt my heart drop, even though I saw it coming. I think it was well done in that aspect. I'll remember this ending more than a more normal ending of Aqua acting like a functional person and making rational decisions like a real person would. But when I walk away from the feelings and look at the story objectively... yeah, what the hell man? The ending for Ruby is so fucking pointless and somewhat antithetical to her whole arc. A lot of the build up in the final arc just got completely dropped. The "antagonist" barely has a presence in the entire story, we started skipping all over the place from major beat to major beat, and the relationships and drama being developed with the supporting cast is just thrown away because "Aqua would throw all of it away to protect his sister, since he loves her so much". Well, no dude. If you love your sister so much then you would find a way to live for her. Honestly, the entire time I was reading I was always bugged with how Aqua and Ruby never once discussed their past lives in the 18 years they lived together. That's literally one of the first conversations anyone would have with their reincarnated sibling, there is no excuse given for why it never happened. So the only reason it happened happened that way is so the author could illustrate the the scenes he envisioned. If this story was written in a logical way, having events play out based on how the characters would normally act, then this wouldn't have been a revenge plot and the story would have played up differently. But I digress. I think the anime is well done, and I'm excited to see how they animate some of the moments that have yet to be adapted. The anime has an opportunity to add in some of the context and characterization that was rushed and skipped in the manga. Won't hold my breath on that, though. |
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